Achtung wichtige Infos NACH dem Absetzen!!!

[Wurstl]

Hi, mir ist es eigentlich zu blöd mich extra vorzustellen.

Ich bin letzten Sonntag auf Informationen zum Thema SSRI Absetzsymptome gestoßen, die mich wirklich umgehauen haben. Dinge, die ich auf deutschsprachigen Seiten noch nie gefunden habe.
Auf Anweisung von den Leidenden dort bin ich zu dem Entschluss gekommen euch diese Informationen preiszugeben.
Habt ihr zum Beispiel gewusst, dass es schon ein Buch gibt zum Thema Paroxat absetzen?

Ich habe von Leuten gelesen, die auch noch nach 5 Jahren mit diesen Symptomen zu kämpfen haben.

Ich rede hier nicht von den Symptomen, die ihr habt wenn ihr zu schnell (alles unter 12 Monaten) absetzt.

Vielleicht haben ja viele von euch (wie ich) schon geglaubt, dass es nach der Übelkeit vorbei ist.

Für alle, die schon mind 3 Monate von Paroxat runter sind habe ich folgendes für euch:

Mir ging es ziemlich schlecht, als ich erfuhr, dass es anderen genauso geht und nicht ich einfach nur komplett den Verstand verlieren würde....

Absetzsymptome:
Besorgnis, Kontrollverlust, Drang zur Selbstbestätigung, Selbstfindung, Neigung zu Alkoholmißbrauch, Weinen ohne Grund, Selbstzweifel, Hilfe das Leben zieht an mir vorbei, Abwendung von Freunden/Bekannten/Familie, Angst und Zorn, erhöte Aggressivität, sich selbst und anderen nichts verzeihen können, das Gefühl haben den Verstand zu verlieren, Suicidgedanken bzw Versuche, Beeinträchtigung des Kurzzeitgedächnisses, Konzentrationsstörungen, Wutausbrüche, mitten in der Nacht aufwachen und heulen,........
Ich lese mich da auch erst ein.

hier ist die Paxil(=Paroxat) community: www.paxilprogress.org <-- lest euch mal die Withdrawl (=Absetzen) FAQ durch!!!
es gibt übrigens auch schon flüssiges Paxil aus Canada, damit man besser Ausschleichen kann.
Ich bin mit meinen 10 monaten Ausschleichen einer von den schnelleren....

Ihr verliert nicht euren Verstand, lest die FAQ Seiten!!!

Noch ein kleiner Beweis dafür, dass ihr stark seid: http://www.ssristories.com/index.php eine Auflistung von bisher 2600+ Zeitungsberichten von Personen, die SSRIs absetzten oder unter dem Einfluss standen und es nicht schafften sich rechtzeitig zu deeskallieren. (Amokläufe, School Shootings, Suicide)

Iraq/Afganistan: ++40% of Military Suicides Are Taking SSRIs


www.paxilprogress.org lesen!!!

[mücke]

Hallo Wurstl

Danke für die Info.
Leider kann ich kein englisch. Schade!!

Ich habe von Leuten gelesen, die auch noch nach 5 Jahren mit diesen Symptomen zu kämpfen haben.

5 J., das ist sehr lang. Ich wußte bisher nur von 2 J.

Gruss Mücke

[Oliver]

Hallo wurstl.

Seiten, wie die von Dir verlinkten und die Tatsache, dass es Infos wie diese nicht in deutscher Sprache gab, haben uns 2003 dazu bewegt, das ADFD zu gründen. Viele der Infos dort und mehr sind mittlerweile auf unseren Seiten zu finden. Es ist nun mal so, dass nicht jeder Englisch kann.

Alles Gute
Oliver

[Wurstl]

Schon klar Oliver und es ist auch gut so, dass es dieses forum hier gibt.

Ich kann nur von mir sprechen, mich kotzt dieses Thema ohnehin an und ich will am liebsten nie mehr was von SSRIs in meinem Leben wissen. Ich will auch nicht die User von hier weglocken.
Als ich das gelesen habe, konnte ich viele meiner Gefühle auf einmal verstehen und deuten. Ich möchte euch das trotzdem nahelegen, es euch von Bekannten übersetzen zu lassen.
Ich zitiere einfach mal das wesentlichste:

How will my emotions be affected?

During withdrawal(=Abgewöhnung), you may feel a quantity or intensity of emotion you may not have experienced before. Paxil is not necessarily selective in what emotions it suppresses (like anxiety(Besorgnis)), so as it leaves your system, you can expect to feel A LOT! Your personal boundaries (Grenzen)will not clear any more and you may find yourself swinging from one extreme to the next at times.



Who you are is not a distinct (eindeutig) thing, but a concentration of possibilities that Paxil withdrawal can blow into. You may be used to being a cool cucumber and find yourself wanting to raise your voice more often. And yes, you may just start crying for no reason on many occasions(Gelegenheit). Benefits of relief(Entlastung) felt through self expression are self evident(Selbstbeweis) and I’m letting you know that you may not recognize yourself for a while. (Ich lasse euch wissen, dass ihr euch für einige Zeit nicht wiedererkennen werdet.) That doesn’t mean you’re losing your mind. You’re actually reclaiming it by moving from a state of being controlled by Paxil, to be controlled by nothing and then moving to your own sense of control.



Paxil Control <-> Loss of a sense of control (eigener Kontrollverlust) <-> Your own independent control



This isn't to suggest that Paxil can make you buy chocolate, but we have noticed many people suddenly choose to separate from their partners and familiar surroundings as they move into the "loss of a sense of control" zone, and then regret it and change their mind once back into the "your own independent" zone. Don't be afraid to sit quietly and reflect deeply on sudden changes you feel the urge to "run to make" while withdrawing.





What do I do if I become anxious? (besorgt)

Paxil and Paxil withdrawal (absetzung) can create their own anxieties and you'll notice the difference once you've been off for a while. The important thing to remember is that just because you feel anxious today, or have been for the last week or year does not mean that you are forsaken(verloren) into being forever anxious. Believing yourself trapped or stuck can create even more anxiety, so just don't believe. This is easier to accomplish when you let your belief precede experience.



Here are some things you can consider to help keep you grounded:



While withdrawing, you are not in a normal state of being. You cannot predict how things will go until you're done withdrawing, so dont! But do spend a lot of time imagining how great it will be to not be so anxious. This puts your focus on something positive and makes the ability to create what you seek much easier. It also gets you to stop anticipating being anxious, which relaxes you, which reduces the probability of anxiety which gets you to stop anticipating being anxious, which relaxes you which...


You cannot and will not get rid of anxiety completely, at least not if you want to be a human being. You can get rid of the chronic poisonous kind though! As you feel differently about anxiety, so will it feel different to you when it happens.


If you spend a lot of time with those WHAT IF types of mental chatter (was wenn Horror Szenarien) like: what if I panic, what if I get sick, what if I have to use the bathroom and there isnt any, what if I pass out, what if they laugh at me, what if Im discovered, what if I die, what if I die and my body lets go of its waste etc. Make sure you spend an equal amount of time answering those questions. No really! Answer those questions. Once you have answers, you can stop asking and the scenarios you're inventing will most likely not occur anyway. The point is to deal with the situations now, when you have time to breathe, than to be on the spot and a victim to a rushed imagination. While you're at it, have the panic attacks about those scenarios ahead of time too. Think about them and panic now so you wont have to later.


Talk to, accept and love your anxiety. This can be the most difficult thing to do since you've probably hinged a lot of importance on anxiety leaving you, especially once youre off Paxil. Treat your anxiety like a cut. You instinctively seek to protect and heal a cut and that is never done by hating or ignoring it. By loving your anxiety you change your relationship to it. Anxiety can actually be your minds way of trying to get your attention focused on some challenge still unconscious and festering


No matter how anxiety amplifies during Paxil withdrawal, be sure to commit to the perspective that you are now making a statement about how you wish to live your life, and no matter how hard it gets, or how thwarted your efforts seem, time will reveal your progress and not always the moment. Use what you think are setbacks as indicators that you are still moving forward. If you still feel the anxiety, you might still be receiving reminders that there is more work to be done. Its OK to settle in a comfort zone every now and then if its refreshing but dont stay there!







Will withdrawal make me angry(Zorn) and frustrated?

Definitely. In fact, anger and frustration are the most frequently reported emotions which raise to the surface as Paxil releases its grip on you. We believe that anger and frustration are the result of emotions being repressed, including the anxiety/depression that was intentionally pushed back by Paxil. You may not have been able to notice, but emotion festers when it's held in, and turns into something else: anger.



You may suddenly find yourself completely upset and irritated with people around you, and the world in general. Your patience for many things from the crying of children to slow drivers, can disappear. It's difficult to catch yourself becoming angry, or to even question its validity(Berechtigung) despite what you know about its probability and temporary appearance during withdrawal.



This angry state can last weeks to months, although the latter is rare in our experience. It may be different with you and not endure as long. It will be affected by how you usually deal with your emotions.



Here are some thoughts you can latch on to to help you see through the temporary anger fog:

Withdrawal can be really challenging and you could feel completely fed up. You dont have to blow up the world to know you're fed up. This is your experience and why would you wish others to go through this? Do you really wish them pain? Is this a true statement about who you want to be?



You are who you are and your opinions never need to be validated for them to be real and true to you. If you were the last person on earth, would you still want to throw dishes at someone or something to somehow affirm your convictions? If you need to do a physical demonstration of your agitated discomfort, a sponge brick is just as useful.



Instead of trying to prove everybody wrong, try to find out why they think they're right.



When somebody is really ticking you off, ask yourself if you have any of the things within yourself that you believe about the other person. You may be projecting and refusing to admit it.



This mood is temporary so don't make an angry life consequence out of a temporary moment.



You're probably wrong. No really! Nobody can experience life as you do, nor can you know what another is thinking/feeling quite like they do having never lived all their years for them, as them. You can fantasize all you want, life is probably 95% different for each person. If you dont believe it, pretend and ask more questions about their truth instead of telling your own truth repeatedly, just in case. If you're going to be a know it all, at least do the research. Or, notice what it feels like to believe that nobody REALLY understands you. Now imagine that every single person on the planet has that problem. They do.



Nobody can tell you their truth until you stop spending all your time sharing yours.



Its not real. This is a tough perspective to explore because you basically have to disbelieve your whole experience and that is not something people accept easily. Give the world the benefit of the doubt that what you're feeling may not be a real reflection on whats around you, no matter how real it feels. Let the passing of time (if you get angry at something or someone, wait 8 hours and see how it changes) reveal the truth to you. An emotion is often just a snapshot in time. Dont live the past or future. Let the future come to you while you observe how the moment creates it.

Will my family/friends support me? Should they?

Most will, but some may not. Paxil withdrawal can be a pretty intense experience on some days, and when under that much duress, you may seem unapproachable(unzugänglich) to those who love you. Also, it's difficult enough to take care of our own lives, let alone someone elses, and even less so when facing challenges that are so personal, people can hardly understand them unless they go through them personally. Realizing that innocent and accidental misunderstanding can occur, it's best to forgive those you wished would support you and who seem to have taken 3 steps back away from you (or have run).



Time will heal in this situation. You will quickly discover angels who never leave your side, as well as people who are innocently just protecting themselves, as you are always free to do. The difference between an angel and desertee, is simply fear. Some people (regardless of familial ties) will courageously lift you up while others will make sure the risk of you bringing them down, is minimized. It's a human fallacy and you must forgive it. It's not wrong, it just doesn't answer to your expectations, and nobody should be punished because you had an expectation.



Marriage is a little different since its boundaries are often defined by expectations. We can't dictate what responsibility each person in a marriage should have, since that is up to you to decide with your partner. Expect, require, love and let go in whatever fashion meets the discipline you and your partner agreed upon when exchanging vows, and leave room for growth and change just in case they don't help heal any rift caused a difficult withdrawal experience. Time will heal. If this experience drives you apart, don't give up right away. Give yourselves a couple years to let everything calm down. Do what love would do, and not fear, even if it's all you feel at the moment. Fear and rejection don't last. You have a lifetime ahead of you after all. Don't be in such a hurry to judge the future based on the moment.



Let the past be the past because it's past.



Embrace the now because it is happening now, the only moment you can do embracing in.



Dream of the future as it exists only in dreams.





And then choose to create whatever aspect of yourself you want to, if it's from a dream or not. Relate to yourself as an ocean of loving potential with words like "not yet, but already on the way".

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Darcy Baston :: Founder of paxilprogress :: Freedom is in you

[chiara63]

Hallo

ich spreche zwar leidlich Englisch, aber für solche Dinge reicht es dann doch nicht. Bitte in Zukunft in Deutsch posten oder aber eübersetze es doch bitte selbst, das wäre sehr nett.

DAnke

Chiara

[Seroxatuserin]

es gibt übrigens auch schon flüssiges Paxil aus Canada, damit man besser Ausschleichen kann.
Ich bin mit meinen 10 monaten Ausschleichen einer von den schnelleren....

Das flüssige Paxil gibt es auch in Deutschland. Das ist dann Seroxat-Suspension, glaub ich